IEEE Panel – Bridging Academia and Industry in Computing

I had the pleasure of joining the IEEE Early Career Program Summit 2025 panel on โ€œBridging Academia and Industry in Computing.โ€ It prompted me to reflect on two lessons I wish Iโ€™d learned much earlier in my careerโ€”because the conventional wisdom I heard early on turned out to be deeply limiting.

๐Ÿ”ปย ๐Œ๐ˆ๐’๐†๐”๐ˆ๐ƒ๐„๐ƒ ๐€๐ƒ๐•๐ˆ๐‚๐„ #๐Ÿ: โ€œ๐ƒ๐จ๐งโ€™๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฐ-๐“๐‘๐‹ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ž๐š๐ซ๐œ๐ก ๐ญ๐จ ๐ข๐ง๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ. ๐ƒ๐จ๐งโ€™๐ญ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฑ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ž ๐š๐ง๐ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ž๐ซ๐œ๐ข๐š๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ค.โ€
This sounds practicalโ€”keep early-stage, high-risk ideas separate from commercialisation and industry collaboration projects to avoid falling into the infamous two โ€œvalleys of death” you have to cross:
– Valley of Death 1: The gap between basic research (TRL 1-3) and applied development (TRL 4-6), where promising concepts often fail due to lack of funding or practical validation.
– Valley of Death 2: The gap between prototype development (TRL 6-7) and commercialisation (TRL 8-9), where technologies struggle to secure investment or market adoption.

But hereโ€™s the lesson I learned the hard way:
๐Ÿ‘‰ The most successful projects Iโ€™ve seen do exactly the opposite.

They expose low-TRL ideas to industry early to develop them in context. They manage risk by embedding fallback options, investing small, and leveraging mature support technologies. In todayโ€™s software and AI ecosystems, where timelines compress from years to weeks, isolating speculative work is costing you real competitive advantage.

๐Ÿ”ป ๐Œ๐ˆ๐’๐†๐”๐ˆ๐ƒ๐„๐ƒ ๐€๐ƒ๐•๐ˆ๐‚๐„ #๐Ÿ: โ€œ๐’๐ญ๐š๐ง๐๐š๐ซ๐๐ฌ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐›๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐ž๐ ๐ ๐จ๐จ๐-๐ž๐ง๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฉ๐ซ๐š๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ž๐ฌ.โ€
The assumption goes: standards are slow, conservative, and reflect the lowest common denominator of whatโ€™s already widely adopted. Meanwhile, real researchโ€”the state-of-the-artโ€”is happening far ahead in academia and research labs.
But here’s the lesson Iโ€™ve learned through direct involvement:
๐Ÿ‘‰ Standards, especially in fast-moving fields like AI, are themselves exciting research.

Defining how to test LLM robustness, watermarking synthetic content, measuring fairness or reliabilityโ€”these are not solved problems but needs to be standardised in some way for assuring trust and regulatory conformance. They require new science, interdisciplinary thinking, and real-world constraints baked in.

CSIRO’s Data61 is leading the work on Australia’s AI safety standards, watermarking/labelling guidelines, risk threshold setting with Australian industry, and working with AI labs like OpenAI and Google via the Frontier Model Forum on measurement and evaluation to advance of science of evaluation and measurement for AI and agent systems. https://lnkd.in/gJvMTHWB


Thanks again to the organisers and fellow panellists for a lively and thoughtful session. I can’t resist pasting a time-suited accompanying picture to celebrate the arrival of AGI.


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